YTMND talk:Proposed Rules

Discuss the rules or suggest your own.

Spamming

Define real effort. --RySenkari
I think it means "not sticking random images with random sounds." Classic style sites get a little bit of a pass in that way, because the image and sound often go together in an important way to make a joke. Taking images/sounds from the internet and uploading them to YTMND without reasonable modification would break that rule. BTape 03:34, January 15, 2008 (CST)

People who do this are easily filtered out, shouldn't be a problem to figure these offenders out.--Laundry 23:29, January 16, 2008 (CST)

For one thing, I think the first offense should not be 1 month for any of the things. And also I hope this spamming thing doesn't just become picky moderators choosing what sites they think are dumb and marking them as spam. I can understand punishing users for duplicate sites but punishing someone for "sites with no real effort" really really bugs me. If that becomes an issue I could see a lot of people quitting ytmnd fast. --Keatonkeaton999 18:01, February 3, 2008 (CST)

Obscenity, Racism, Harassment, and shock value

Define unnecessary amount. --RySenkari
This one is up to a moderator's judgment, unless a consensus can be reached on a boundary. BTape 03:34, January 15, 2008 (CST) I think the average user of the site is smart enough to understand what kinds of sites are only being made for shock value and can easily filter out offenders to this. I wouldn't see this as a problem, that rogue moderaters are hurting the site or the user base, the worst offenders tend to float to the top anyways.--Laundry 23:26, January 16, 2008 (CST)

A consensus, yes. This should begin with the establishment of a YTMND Decency Standard.

For example - FCC indecency definition: “language or material that, in context, depicts or describes, in terms patently offensive as measured by contemporary community standards for the broadcast medium, sexual or excretory organs or activities.” Our ytmnd standard should be set so that and all sites such as these will be subject to removal.

All sites which are deemed to perpetuate forms of hate by the definition I am drafting here should also be subject to removal:

Those sites which express hate via overt language/messages/images in relation to one's race/ethnicity/religion/sexual orientation or otherwise derogatory references expressed in an inflammatory fashion.

Harassment of users should not be tolerated. Sites made specifically to attack certain users should be subject to removal. There should be no grey area here. A criticism is one thing; an attack is quite clearly another.

Shock value: If there is no content inherently obscene, indecent or overtly offensive in any fashion previously mentioned above, a site should stand. NiteSky 01:54, January 17, 2008 (CST)

General use of pornography

These sites don't tend to do well anyways, and there shouldn't be a problem sifting out the problematic offenders.--Laundry 00:04, January 17, 2008 (CST)

In accordance to the terms of my drafted YTMND Decency Standard, pornography would be included under content worthy of removal. To be accurate, any form of imagery depicting human reproductive organs in a context blatantly intended to arouse sexual feelings or denote human sexuality. NiteSky 01:59, January 17, 2008 (CST)

also cocks --Kassius 09:32, January 28, 2008 (CST)

Creating to or linking sites or comments glorifying generally illegal actions

What about sites that are soley created to try and drive traffic to other sites, like that my mini city thing that was going on, or if I remember from before trying to get people to help out on drawball.com? Those weren't really attacks, just trying to generate web traffic. I do say they are annoying to look at, and generally aren't "good". maybe this type of thing would fall under just being a general idiot.--Laundry 23:17, January 16, 2008 (CST)

Voting Trends

Telling people how to vote is retarded, but whatever. --RySenkari
While some of the rules that fall under voting trends may be difficult to enforce, such as "revenge voting," I think there do need to be limits on the abusive voting habits that plague the site. BTape 03:34, January 15, 2008 (CST)
So upvoting is banned? Even if there's a good reason? I only click on a site if I'm pretty sure I'm gonna like it, that's why most of my votes are 5s. You want me to deliberately try to view shitty sites? --RySenkari

I'd have to agree that there are some users that for whatever reason just seem to like almost everything, for example YourTheCoconutman. Ochobobo 19:17, January 15, 2008 (CST)

I think this is one of those up in the air kind of things on the borderline of impossible to enforce. People have the right to choose how they want to vote. On the other hand, you can sometimes clearly see the worst offenders doing it for no other reason than for the attention, and also the revenge 1's in a row on a different users top rated sites. That's going to take some watchful moderators to enforce that.--Laundry 23:13, January 16, 2008 (CST)

Yeah I think telling other people how to vote is very weird. If a user has no alts but chooses that he hates 99% of YTMNDs, then he is entitled to his/her votes. --Keatonkeaton999 18:08, February 3, 2008 (CST)

I think a good example of what BTape is talking about is users like Googler311 who is currently upvoting hundreds of sites a day using the random link or visiting people's page. I've watched him a lot in spy and he's upvoting sites faster than he could possibly view them. Fourest did the same thing a few months ago, but stopped when I pointed out he was doing it. The same could be said of leet-shoes and other downvoters who just blindly attack all new sites. --Hanktherapper 18:15, February 3, 2008 (CST)

Grouping up to push an agenda

This would kind of elminate inside jokes from differnt parts of the ytmnd community, which I don't think might be a good thing. Forced fads would technically fit under this category, but It would all be up to moderators discretion. I guess it would be easy to pick out which ones are harmful though.--Laundry 23:33, January 16, 2008 (CST)

Real forced fads (Juicy Juice Day!) shouldn't be a concern. In my opinion, abusive group activity would include the recent BTape harassment or that Anime GIF spam not too long ago. That's the kind of stuff we should be dealing with. --Chav-Slayer

User Moderation Abuse

Does incorrectly mean blatantly labeling an NSFW site of yours SFW, or does it also extend to being wrong about a borderline site? --RySenkari
The punishments outlined currently are probably too harsh, but that can be changed. Yes, incorrectly marking a "borderline site" would fall under this rule. The planned moderation system may or may not have the same NSFW strictness it has now, though. BTape 03:34, January 15, 2008 (CST)
Forcing people to make difficult judgment calls at the risk of being banned = bad. It makes YTMND less fun. --RySenkari

People tend to learn quicker by harsher punishments. They tend to think more clearly on what they post. I can understand the accident cases where they just clicked wrong. Maybe create more steps of the punishment ladder. first time: verbal warning, second time: week suspension, third time: month suspension, fourth time: account deleted. that way you can sift out who are the repeat offenders who are doing it on purpose.--Laundry 23:50, January 16, 2008 (CST)

Use of alternate accounts

This makes sense, but also go after the offenders who have done this type of thing in the past to send a message of a level playing field for all ytmnd users.--Laundry 23:38, January 16, 2008 (CST)

Meta Data

Oh God I'm fucked. --Kassius 06:46, January 14, 2008 (CST)
All kinds of crazy, stupid shit here. This will kill a lot of good sites if you do this. --RySenkari
The punishments for improper citation might be lowered, but the emphasis is still put on crediting your sources. BTape 03:34, January 15, 2008 (CST)
Well that just blows. If I take from 20 different sources, do I have to credit all of them? This is YTMND, not shitty fucking Wikipedia. --RySenkari

Oh god, will you shut up? This is ytmnd, not the threat of nuclear war. --Kassius 17:03, January 15, 2008 (CST)

We should probably add "with complete lack of humor" to this or something. Sometimes just saying "uncited" or "Kill Bill" can be kinda funny, especially when everyone already knows what it's from. Ochobobo 19:24, January 15, 2008 (CST)

This would be a judgment call. I'm sure people would be intelligent enough to figure out who are really abusing the system. People are smart and functional enough to type "edited" or "+ edit".--Laundry 23:56, January 16, 2008 (CST)

Actually the only reason I can think of where "Knowingly putting incorrect image/sound origins into your site" would be really bad is if someone stole an image/sound from another YTMND and then cited it as if they made it. Ochobobo 20:06, January 17, 2008 (CST)

If you ever have that many sources, it's more of a Wiki article than a YTMND anyway. Seriously though, if you have multiple sources to cite, state 'Various' or 'See Description' then put the relative/important ones on your site profile via the description or keywords. --Chav-Slayer

Just generally being a dumb idiot

This is easily enforcable. Should be no problems here for questionable judgment calls.--Laundry 23:43, January 16, 2008 (CST)

Yeah, I imagine the offenders in a lot of cases will be newcomers, so punishments here won't be so bad i.e. they have less to lose and more to learn. --Chav-Slayer

I can see 1 month punishments for alt accounts or whatever, but I don't like having 1 month punishments for these picky opinionated issues such as how constructive our comments are or how well put together our ytmnds are. At least give a warning on these or something. Funny, sometimes offensive, comments are one of the biggest reasons I like this site. If we have to make a certain number of characters in our comments (like newgrounds) or can't say anything slightly witty or edgy (like on digg) then site is going to goto hell. --Keatonkeaton999 18:16, February 3, 2008 (CST)

Trying not to get caught

Wouldn't this fall under the Alt account Category? This section seems unneeded and should be grouped above.--Laundry 23:58, January 16, 2008 (CST)

Section 47. B. Miscellaneous

The site change thing after it is highlighted is sometimes annoying, but there have been fads created from such actions. Maybe have a roll back option for mods. Such if a site is sponsored and someone decides to change it, then have the mods roll it back and slap protection on it from being edited.--Laundry 00:03, January 17, 2008 (CST)

But if max changes the content completely once the site is featured on digg, it's cool? --Keatonkeaton999 18:12, February 3, 2008 (CST)

Absolutely. --AndySavage