I completely agree with everything you have said. Prepare to get shot by a bunch of fourm faggots who want YTMND to collapse --Giggity Giggity 09:38, February 22, 2007 (CST)
TL;DR. HeatherChandler 15:50, March 7, 2007 (CST)
How about you stop complaining and start doing something? The only thing worse than someone who complains about the fact that they think YTMND is going down hill is a person who complains and DOESN'T DO ANYTHING about it. Stand up and ask yourself: What have *I* done to make YTMND a decent place to participate in? And why do you think that comment pages get turned into entire threads? People don't BOTHER going to the forums. They're not in your face like a comment is on your site. I'd gladly use the SFW forums if everyone else did- but there's like 10 regular posters there. :/ My point is: Want something done right, or done at all, why not stop complaining and do it yourself? xXWaspXx 7:44, March 13, 2007 (EST)
I really can't seem to find this to be nothing more than the angst rant of a user who I'm going to assume has really low ratings and has decided to blame ytmnd instead of himself for it. Most of what I see are opinions that are mass over-generalizations that have little basis. But then again, you're probably right. People like Master Sitsu and Syncan got really popular and have consistently high rated sites based on their fad whoring and influx of nedm and epic maneuver sites, right? I mean, based on the vast library of cases and examples of people who are popular due to fad spamming that you've provided in your article, I'm gonna bet you know what you're talking about.
Hell though, even if you are right then I'm still confused. Like, really confused. Usually when people don't like something, they take precautions and avoid it. They don't hang around it. Well, unless they're some kind of masochist or something who enjoy doing things they don't like. It's so crazy that so many people seem to have these problems and are always incapable of realizing the most obvious solution. If you don't like it, don't take part in it. YTMND sucks? Leave. I mean, by sticking around you just come off as some fag who cares a lot and has nothing better to do with his time. I mean, clicking that little red "x" in the corner and not typing "ytmnd.com" into your web browser is a lot easier than writing an entire essay about some solution that nobody cares about. --Kassius 06:31, March 13, 2007 (CDT)
Gee, Kassius, you've NEVER complained about YTMND before! This is obviously a site that gives praise to YTMND! Anyway, Wasp, how is an average user going to expect to make any sort of change to the site? Frankly, there is little else one can do. --Giggity Giggity 12:26, March 13, 2007 (CDT)
Whoa, I also made a ytmnd saying that I'm coke snorting, abortion supporting alcoholic who stuffs dead bodies in trash cans so I don't understand what you're getting at. And even though I said that I kept at it and did my part to make great sites and muscle on, but perhaps you can link me to the wiki where I started whining to Max and told him to take his site and recreate it the way I wanted it to be done? --Kassius 12:38, March 13, 2007 (CDT)
Ok, fine. Kassius =/= hypocrite. But still, I don't see the harm in voicing your opinion on what a website should be! I don't see this as "whining". --Giggity Giggity 12:50, March 13, 2007 (CDT)
If you don't see harm in voicing an opinion, then what's with all this grief you're giving me when I'm here voicing mine? When a person voices their opinion they should be prepared for the responsibilities and risks it involves, that others won't agree. --Kassius 12:56, March 13, 2007 (CDT)
Right. And I'm not you shouldn't have an opinion. I'm trying to say that its wrong for you to criticize Atrahasis for having this idea, rather than criticize the idea itself. --Giggity Giggity 14:06, March 13, 2007 (CDT)
YTMND is dying. Post your memories here -- KaneRobot 69 o'clock
While some of what you say is true, YTMND has had forums since inception, and they aren't really used as much as you claim they would be if they existed (which they do). This site is somewhat of an experiment. While I have changes planned for the way comments work (nested comments, comment paging, the ability to rate comments etc), I think removing the front page would not help. The front page is basically the epicenter of the site, and without something similar I'm fairly positive the site would wither up and die. We've gone through many templates for the front page, and I try to give as diverse as possible of a selection without angering too many people. You have to keep in mind that the front page is also the first thing newcomers to the site see is the front page. I think the new search that is being implemented which updates on the hour and allows for much better results will help greatly.
About the level of crap: it's only going to get worse. The fact is a couple hundred people sign up every day, and they want to participate. There is no way to initially filter out people who are going to make garbage and people who are going to make gold, so we have to wait and see for each user. The chances that even 10% of the new (or current) user base is going to pump out anything worth looking at is slim. I agree that there are some serious treasures to be found by searching around, but the fact is, each day there is a growing disconnect between the users. I don't relate to pokemon at all, I don't know anything about it and I'd like to keep it that way. There are users who think it's the best thing ever because they grew up with it and played it and "collected them all" or whatever. As the community grows larger, it's less likely to find common binds between ALL users, therefore more likely that there will be sites that some people think are complete crap, and some people are making their favorites.
The real solution to all of this is to come out with better algorithms to highlight good content. Everything YTMND uses now is simple and in the long run fairly exploitable. It's well known that 10 users working together can easily keep something on the front page for at least 20 minutes if there is no mod interaction. I don't like this but changing it would make it much harder for users to get their work seen. Lately a lot of the work I've been having to do is based on maintaining a level of revenue to keep YTMND alive. I despise the work and really I wish I were rich enough to run the site without ads, but as such, I have to focus on the ads aspect a good deal of the time. With me being the only person who really works on the site and the algorithms, without some help from fairly clever people, it isn't going to change very soon.
All that being said, there is obviously a lot to discuss on the topic. In the future if you want to start a public discussion on the matter, comment spamming a news post isn't the way to do it. What you did is just as bad if not worse as people making horrible fad compilations that aren't funny. Max 16:58, March 15, 2007 (CDT)
LOL! HeatherChandler 01:31, March 16, 2007 (CDT)
Oh snap, Its max! --Giggity Giggity 12:43, March 16, 2007 (CDT)
"As the community grows larger, it's less likely to find common binds between ALL users" Could this be the origin of FADS? The common links that gave way to communities? Just a thought. "therefore more likely that there will be sites that some people think are complete crap, and some people are making their favorites." Certainly the description seems fitting. In either case, I don't wish to rant, but I will say that he makes an interesting point. To control the flow of traffic, sometimes you need to modify the roads themselves. Cold-NiTe 2:10, April 18, 2007 (GOK)