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'''NARV''' is an acronym for '''<u>N</u>ew <u>A</u>ge <u>R</u>etarded <u>V</u>oters'''. As of January 2006, YTMND has had a rise in popularity and has attracted a wider range of user base. Without knowing exactly the age of the users, and level of sophistication, NARVs seem to be inexperienced and their influence can be attributed to the rise in votes for relatively novice sites that would have never reached popularity in the hey-day of YTMND's past. This is a result of these voters appealing to the lowest common denominator and upvoting almost everything they see. NARVs seem to have no knowledge of YTMND history or the classics that define the tone of the website at large, and have no desire to learn, unlike the common noob. Many NARVs will dedicate all their votes to being either {{*}} or {{*****}}. A NARV is '''not''' simply a hated downvoter or attention whore that many have deemed "retarded."
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:Sign of a NARV: ''"(insert anything here) = Insta 1"''
  
NARV-like behavior is not entirely new to YTMND. In the days of "ualualualue" and "ridin' spinnaz", you could find this type of user on YTMND. However, by rising in numbers they have justified each others stealing of already well known "funny pictures" from sites throughout the Internet, be they from other YTMND users (see [[Parasite]]), 4chan, b3ta, SomethingAwful, screenshots of bizarre news stories, and so forth. Due to a lessening amount of users willing to openly downvote or point out site theft for fear of being "e-venged", NARVism has flourished.  
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'''NARV''' is an acronym for '''New Age Retarded Voter'''. At the beginning of 2006, YTMND found itself prospering more and more in the public eye, with a number of sites gaining notoriety in the press and blogosphere.  With this rise in popularity came an influx of new, inexperienced users.  Of these, the stupidest were labeled NARV, first by a discreet group of senior YTMNDers.  Although NARV-like behavior has always existed on YTMND, its influence is now much more strongly felt and the term has fallen into increasingly widespread use, to the point where it is frequently misunderstood and/or abused.
  
NARVs are not unique to YTMND, either. Any site that features “original” content and a voting system is vulnerable to NARV invasions. See: [http://youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=JUpgcwYJjuo&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3DJUpgcwYJjuo YTMND NARV becomes a YouTube NARV]. ('''WARNING:''' extreme NARVism)
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==Characteristics==
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NARVs are characterized by a minimal understanding of YTMND history, culture, or the artifacts that define the tone of YTMND, and exhibit no desire to learn them. Some have stated that the primary result of emerging '''NARVism''' is the increase of highly-ranked poorly-made sites that would have never reached popularity even in YTMND's recent past. Others cite their influence as a deterioration in the sites overall quality, having to sit through a greater percentage of bad material to find the good. NARVs are not necessarily 'noobs', however generally speaking, NARVs generally have more likely been new or infrequent users of the site.
  
NARVs that actually create YTMNDs rarely, if ever, use Google or YTMND's own search feature to see if their site has been made already. They do, however, believe it to be funny or cute to claim the source to be "internets."
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===Voting habits===
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Many NARVs will vote exclusively {{*}} or {{*****}}, with uninformed justifications often accompanying either category of vote.  NARVs often view the rating system as a way to make people feel better or, more recently, control the rank of YTMNDs on the front page, rather than as a quasi-objective method of ranking YTMNDs. Over time, the term "NARV" has focused more on singling out
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these split voters rather than creators of bad or recycled material.
  
==Confusion==
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===Site creation===
Some users consider any voter who they do not like, eg. a downvoter, an eBaum's World supporter, or who is generally disliked, to be a NARV. Many use the term simply to describe any user who they feel is ruining the website. The phrase has been thrown around loosely, and one should be careful of such accusations, seeing if the accused meet the symptoms described in this article.
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Although the name NARV refers to voting, it is not limited to that. NARVs that do create YTMNDs often do so with minimal effort.  NARV YTMND creation can be observed when a new original YTMND is posted and within minutes, fad music is added and knock-off [[Ridin Spinnaz]]/[[You Spin Me Round (Like a Record)|You Spin Me Right Round]], [[G-man|Wonderful Time]], [[Break my Stride]], [[Epic Maneuver]] or [[Move Bitch]] YTMNDs of the same [[GIF]] are released.
  
==Overuse of Music==
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A similar tactic is often employed utilizing GIFs from long-standing classic YTMNDs and pairing them with unrelated fad music.  To make matters worse, these uninspired couplings often fail to utilize Google or YTMND's search feature to verify if their created site has already been issued by another NARV.  NARVs often do not cite source material of their creations.  Occasionally a NARV may be an unintended [[Parasite]].
NARVs seem to enjoy overdone fad music, such as ''Axel F'', ''The Price is Right'' "failure" sound, the [[Super_Mario_World_ending|''Super Mario World'' sped-up ending song]], ''Ghost Love Score'' by Nightwish, "Requiem for a Tower (The Two Trailers soundtrack)", "Untitled" by Simple Plan, Final Fantasy and other RPG soundtracks, Max Coveri's "Running in the Ninties", or older YTMND "fad" songs that have long been retired.
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== Bottom Feeders ==
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==== Bottom feeding ====
NARVs create and cluster around fad sites that require the least amount of work, continuing to make and upvote them long after the fad has peaked. Most notably:
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As described above, NARVs often create sites for fads that require the most minimal of effort.  NARV sites often cluster around a small group of fads which some view as being overdone or having had peaked long ago. Generally it is vague or open-ended fads based on the music selection that are most likely to end up considered NARV fads by the end of their run. (Primary examples include Best Day Ever, Myspace Suicide, and Epic Maneuver).
  
[[Image:NARV.gif|thumb|right|240px|Artist's interpretation of a typical NARV]]
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See [[:category:NARVish Fads|Narv Fads]] for full listing of NARVish fads.
* [[Best Day Ever]]
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* [[CRAPTMND]]
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* [[eBaum's World]]
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* [[Eon8]]
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* [[Chuck Norris]]
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* Various sites with overused dancing songs.
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* [[Epic Maneuver]]
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* [[GoogleFight]]
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* [[iGod]]
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* [[Gman|...is having a wonderful time]]
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* [[lol, internet]] (especially after the {{ytmnd|loltutorial|lol, tutorial}} site was made)
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* [[Medieval]] sites
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* [[Myspace suicide]] / [[Emo]], especially those featuring Simple Plan's "Untitled"
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* News Events with no changes in material being shown, like Dick Cheney's Hunting mishap and Pluto's downgrading from a planet
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* Raiding other websites (This includes "Forum Registration Disabled" sites, which tends to appear after a forum raid.) <!-- Note to NARVs: FUCKING DUH. -->
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* [[Safety Not Guaranteed]]
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* Screenshots of news items edited with Paintbrush adding "lol", "pwned", etc. in blurry red letters.
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* [[Shoe on Head]]
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* [[Stride]]
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* [[Wikipedia vandalism]]
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* [[Secret Nazi...]]
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* Any fad, with stolen images or with friends headswapped
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Not all of these fads are undistinguishable. The original submissions of these fads mentioned are worthy, but NARVs blindly upvote any site containing these elements without discernable inference. NARVs quickly obliterate fads by attaching gifs posted many times before on YTMND with the new fad music, creating a "double unoriginality" syndrome that experienced YTMNDers find unbearable.
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Other types of sites that are considered to be of NARV nature includes:
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* Screen shots of news stories with no alterations, notably Dick Cheney's Hunting mishap and Pluto's downgrading from a planet.  Conversely, "lol", "pwned", etc. is added in blurry red letters
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* Gloating of raids of other websites (this includes "Forum Registration Disabled" sites, which tend to appear after a forum raid)
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* In-Jokes
  
== Offenders/Prominent NARVs ==
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It should be known that some of these fads will have good sites, and that creation of one isn't an automatic induction into NARVdom, however the majority that are created often lack effort.
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! User
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! NARV level
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! Crimes Against YTMND
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|- style="background-color:#F0F0F0"
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| 01
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| {{ytmnduser|vex5}}
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| <font color="red">'''Critical'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">AOTS contest runnerup with stolen material; posts stolen material; resubmits to make top 15, then downvotes all other sites on the up-and-coming list so he can make the top 15.</font>
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|-
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| 02
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| {{ytmnduser|FanaticallyInsane666}}
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| <font color="green">'''Stable'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">Posts stolen material.</font>
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|- style="background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| 03
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| {{ytmnduser|deepbluevibes}}
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| <font color="green">'''Stable'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">Votes either 1 or 5, allmost all his sites are NSFW.</font>
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|- style="background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| 04
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| {{ytmnduser|Keyblademaster99}}
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| <font color="red">'''Critical'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">Downvotes all Classic style YTMNDs, but has yet to make a YTMND.</font>
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| 05
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| {{ytmnduser|BananaClock}}
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| <font color="red">'''Critical'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">Fond of the "Van Damme dancing" GIF, which has been posted over 100 times before.</font>
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|- style="background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| 06
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| {{ytmnduser|zuljinforthewin}}
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| <font color="green">'''Stable'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">''Update'' - seems to just be a troll account, not a true NARV.</font>
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| 07
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| {{ytmnduser|likeakiller}}
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| <font color="red">'''Critical'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">True NARV, by title definition.</font>
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|- style="background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| 08
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| {{ytmnduser|Tal27}}
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| <font color="red">'''Critical'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">Split voter, even upvotes sites without sound; e-venges.</font>
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|-
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| 09
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| {{ytmnduser|scorpkris}}
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| <font color="orange">'''Caution'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">Puts other GIFs to the new NARV fad music; makes screenshot YTMNDs.</font>
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|- style="background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| 10
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| {{ytmnduser|sboss}}
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| <font color="red">'''Critical'''</font color>
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| <font color="purple">NARV voter; NARV site maker; revenge voter.</font>
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| 11
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| {{ytmnduser|Acidrainman}}
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| <font color="black">'''Hopeless'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">100% NARV.</font>
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|- style="background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| 12
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| {{ytmnduser|zalbane}}
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| <font color="red">'''Critical'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">Entirely split voter, WoW YTMNDs.</font>
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|-
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| 13
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| {{ytmnduser|WTL}}
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| <font color="green">'''Stable'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">Split voter.</font>
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|- style="background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| 14
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| {{ytmnduser|SenatorZuul}}
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| <font color="green">'''Stable'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">Loves all crappy fads; a "bad" upvoter; admits to e-venging.</font>
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| 15
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| {{ytmnduser|Dallin}}
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| <font color="red">'''Critical'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">It's amazingly obvious.</font>
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|- style="background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| 16
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| {{ytmnduser|nathanfat37}}
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| <font color="red">'''Critical'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">E-venger; relentless nag; dead fad whore.</font>
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| 17
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| {{ytmnduser|n4rvst}}
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| <font color="black">'''Hopeless'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">NARV and proud of it, but apparently just an attention whore. (see [[downvoter]]) Has recently upped his game by posting stolen GIFs of popular YTMNDs with the audio dubbed over with a laugh track.</font>
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|- style="background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| 18
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| {{ytmnduser|redhex}}
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| <font color="red"><b>'''Critical'''</b></font>
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| <font color="purple">Split voter; relentless nag.</font>
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| {{ytmnduser|Lambon}}
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| <font color="red"><b>'''Critical'''</b></font>
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| <font color="purple">Split voter; genuine dumbass; loves "fuck you" posts.</font>
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|- style="background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| 20
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| {{ytmnduser|Ziggah}}
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| <font color="red">'''Critical'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">Picking up on a theme here?</font>
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| 21
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| {{ytmnduser|chimp-toaster}}
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| <font color="red">'''Critical'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">...because you should.</font>
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|- style="background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| 22
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| {{ytmnduser|rawr}}
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| <font color="orange">'''Caution'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">Homophobic, jingoistic, evenging junior high reject. Can't spell the word "hamster," but loves to insult people anyway.</font>
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| 23
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| {{ytmnduser|yourpenis}}
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| <font color="black">'''Hopeless'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">A NARV that calls other users NARVs.</font>
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|- style="background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| 24
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| {{ytmnduser|EmoFTW}}
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| <font color="red">'''Critical'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">Split voter; has never even 3'd or 4'd.</font>
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| 25
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| {{ytmnduser|JazRad}}
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| <font color="orange">'''Caution'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">Split voter; CRAPTMND enjoyer.</font>
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|- style="background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| {{ytmnduser|blizzard}}
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| <font color="black">'''Hopeless'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">Lacks sense of humor; mass downvotes non-WoW sites; posts links to viruses in comment pages.</font>
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| {{ytmnduser|st00pid-n00b}}
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| <font color="black">'''Hopeless'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">Only votes {{*}} and {{*****}}; downvotes sites that clearly don't deserve it.</font>
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| {{ytmnduser|jimtownresident}}
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| <font color="black">'''Hopeless'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">Massive split voter; votes on whether or not he likes the movie the GIF is recorded from.</font>
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| 29
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| {{ytmnduser|galaxhood}}
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| <font color="black">'''Hopeless'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">Big time split voter; upvotes crap and downvotes good sites.</font>
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| {{ytmnduser|dunesw64}}
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| <font color="orange">'''Caution'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">General troll; e-venger; split voter.</font>
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| {{ytmnduser|SIZK}}
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| <font color="green">'''Stable'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">Big split voter, but somewhat new user; wait and see.</font>
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| {{ytmnduser|spatan117}}
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| <font color="orange">'''Caution'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">Not entirely split voter, but downvotes often (and has the nerve to whine about downvoting).</font>
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| {{ytmnduser|falco1234}}
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| <font color="red">'''Critical'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">Split voter; repetitive "gay" styled comments.</font>
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| {{ytmnduser|Kratos222}}
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| <font color="orange">'''Caution'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">Split voter; obsessed with penis pumps and advertising IRC channels that no-one could possibly care less about.</font>
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| {{ytmnduser|K7}}
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| <font color="black">'''Hopeless'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">split voter, one of the original NARVs, alt accounter (now known as downvoter/attention whore {{ytmnduser|ZEROEVILDARKCOOL}}).</font>
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| {{ytmnduser|koning}}
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| <font color="black">'''Hopeless'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">Makes screenshot YTMNDs, NARV fad YTMNDs, split voter, etc.
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| {{ytmnduser|lambon}}
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| <font color="green">'''Stable'''</font>
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| <font color="purple">split voter, mildly annoying commenter, usually either a 'lol' or 'fuck you'</font>
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==Anti-NARV sites==
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==Criticisms of NARV as a concept==
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The concept of NARV-like behavior is in no way new to YTMND.  Some have accused those employing the term of elitism, charging that theft of content, unoriginality, and rote reprocessing of existing content is responsible for much of the popularity of many classic YTMNDs and YTMND itself.  Some have voiced the opinion that such behaviors were simply more widely tolerated in the past when the site was smaller.  This argument follows that nearly all YTMNDs borrow content from other sources, and that many respected YTMNDers meet the criteria put forth in this article, and as such, the criteria simply discriminates against new users.  Creative interpretation of old fads remains a respected form of creating new YTMNDs, and some feel that classifying some adherents to this technique NARVs while letting others pass based on subjective criteria unfair.  Another argument put forth is that NARVs are a construction of YTMND's current "front page" voting culture, and as such, the lack of a more constructive and creativity-oriented method of evaluating YTMNDs is as equally to blame as the so-called NARVs themselves.
  
*{{ytmnd|narv|You're The NARV Now Dog.com}}
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===Counter-argument===
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Although NARV-like behavior has been apparent on YTMND, first openly manifesting around such fads as [[Ualuealuealeuale]] and [[Ridin' Spinnaz]], NARVs have constituted an increasingly larger proportion of the YTMND user base.  NARVs have justified each others' crass stealing of well known humorous images from a small number of websites, be it YTMND (see [[Parasite]]), 4chan, b3ta, or SomethingAwful. Due to a proportionally smaller number of users willing to openly downvote or point out site theft for fear of being "e-venged", NARVism has flourished and constitutes a threat to the viability of YTMND.  Indeed, the NARV effect is not unique to YTMND. It been observed in other voting-based websites, such as YouTube. In the end, the argument falls back to the point that such behavior is simply more prevalent. Since the creation of [[YTMND Spy]], users have the ability to see for themselves if only voting 1 or 5 is an overly common practice.  Many would make the claim that it is.
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==Care in use of the term==
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Recently, some users have begun describing any user they dislike, downvoters, eBaum's World sympathizers, or those who are generally disliked as NARVs. Many use the term simply to describe any user who they feel is ruining the website.  Some who originated and helped popularize the term have urged the community to utilize the term only with the utmost discretion, verifying carefully that potential NARVs are evaluated against the criteria listed on this wiki entry.  In fact the terms' originators have come to de-emphasize the fad elements and concentrate more on criticisms against split voters.  Because of the abuse of the term by a large number of users who just don't get it, many of the originators of the term rarely use it anymore, and have come to live with increased NARV-like behavior as an inevitability on YTMND.
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==Anti-NARV sites==
 
*{{ytmnd|endnarvism|Don't Let NARV Happen to You}}
 
*{{ytmnd|endnarvism|Don't Let NARV Happen to You}}
 
*{{ytmnd|jurassicnarv|Dennis Nedry steals & submits crap}}
 
*{{ytmnd|jurassicnarv|Dennis Nedry steals & submits crap}}

Latest revision as of 13:57, September 10, 2010

NARV
pic
Join date
January 01, 2006
Birthdate
unknown
Avg. site rating: *
Avg. vote rate: *****
...as of unknown
Notable Sites:
Sign of a NARV: "(insert anything here) = Insta 1"

NARV is an acronym for New Age Retarded Voter. At the beginning of 2006, YTMND found itself prospering more and more in the public eye, with a number of sites gaining notoriety in the press and blogosphere. With this rise in popularity came an influx of new, inexperienced users. Of these, the stupidest were labeled NARV, first by a discreet group of senior YTMNDers. Although NARV-like behavior has always existed on YTMND, its influence is now much more strongly felt and the term has fallen into increasingly widespread use, to the point where it is frequently misunderstood and/or abused.

Characteristics

NARVs are characterized by a minimal understanding of YTMND history, culture, or the artifacts that define the tone of YTMND, and exhibit no desire to learn them. Some have stated that the primary result of emerging NARVism is the increase of highly-ranked poorly-made sites that would have never reached popularity even in YTMND's recent past. Others cite their influence as a deterioration in the sites overall quality, having to sit through a greater percentage of bad material to find the good. NARVs are not necessarily 'noobs', however generally speaking, NARVs generally have more likely been new or infrequent users of the site.

Voting habits

Many NARVs will vote exclusively * or *****, with uninformed justifications often accompanying either category of vote. NARVs often view the rating system as a way to make people feel better or, more recently, control the rank of YTMNDs on the front page, rather than as a quasi-objective method of ranking YTMNDs. Over time, the term "NARV" has focused more on singling out these split voters rather than creators of bad or recycled material.

Site creation

Although the name NARV refers to voting, it is not limited to that. NARVs that do create YTMNDs often do so with minimal effort. NARV YTMND creation can be observed when a new original YTMND is posted and within minutes, fad music is added and knock-off Ridin Spinnaz/You Spin Me Right Round, Wonderful Time, Break my Stride, Epic Maneuver or Move Bitch YTMNDs of the same GIF are released.

A similar tactic is often employed utilizing GIFs from long-standing classic YTMNDs and pairing them with unrelated fad music. To make matters worse, these uninspired couplings often fail to utilize Google or YTMND's search feature to verify if their created site has already been issued by another NARV. NARVs often do not cite source material of their creations. Occasionally a NARV may be an unintended Parasite.

Bottom feeding

As described above, NARVs often create sites for fads that require the most minimal of effort. NARV sites often cluster around a small group of fads which some view as being overdone or having had peaked long ago. Generally it is vague or open-ended fads based on the music selection that are most likely to end up considered NARV fads by the end of their run. (Primary examples include Best Day Ever, Myspace Suicide, and Epic Maneuver).

See Narv Fads for full listing of NARVish fads.

Other types of sites that are considered to be of NARV nature includes:

  • Screen shots of news stories with no alterations, notably Dick Cheney's Hunting mishap and Pluto's downgrading from a planet. Conversely, "lol", "pwned", etc. is added in blurry red letters
  • Gloating of raids of other websites (this includes "Forum Registration Disabled" sites, which tend to appear after a forum raid)
  • In-Jokes

It should be known that some of these fads will have good sites, and that creation of one isn't an automatic induction into NARVdom, however the majority that are created often lack effort.

Criticisms of NARV as a concept

The concept of NARV-like behavior is in no way new to YTMND. Some have accused those employing the term of elitism, charging that theft of content, unoriginality, and rote reprocessing of existing content is responsible for much of the popularity of many classic YTMNDs and YTMND itself. Some have voiced the opinion that such behaviors were simply more widely tolerated in the past when the site was smaller. This argument follows that nearly all YTMNDs borrow content from other sources, and that many respected YTMNDers meet the criteria put forth in this article, and as such, the criteria simply discriminates against new users. Creative interpretation of old fads remains a respected form of creating new YTMNDs, and some feel that classifying some adherents to this technique NARVs while letting others pass based on subjective criteria unfair. Another argument put forth is that NARVs are a construction of YTMND's current "front page" voting culture, and as such, the lack of a more constructive and creativity-oriented method of evaluating YTMNDs is as equally to blame as the so-called NARVs themselves.

Counter-argument

Although NARV-like behavior has been apparent on YTMND, first openly manifesting around such fads as Ualuealuealeuale and Ridin' Spinnaz, NARVs have constituted an increasingly larger proportion of the YTMND user base. NARVs have justified each others' crass stealing of well known humorous images from a small number of websites, be it YTMND (see Parasite), 4chan, b3ta, or SomethingAwful. Due to a proportionally smaller number of users willing to openly downvote or point out site theft for fear of being "e-venged", NARVism has flourished and constitutes a threat to the viability of YTMND. Indeed, the NARV effect is not unique to YTMND. It been observed in other voting-based websites, such as YouTube. In the end, the argument falls back to the point that such behavior is simply more prevalent. Since the creation of YTMND Spy, users have the ability to see for themselves if only voting 1 or 5 is an overly common practice. Many would make the claim that it is.

Care in use of the term

Recently, some users have begun describing any user they dislike, downvoters, eBaum's World sympathizers, or those who are generally disliked as NARVs. Many use the term simply to describe any user who they feel is ruining the website. Some who originated and helped popularize the term have urged the community to utilize the term only with the utmost discretion, verifying carefully that potential NARVs are evaluated against the criteria listed on this wiki entry. In fact the terms' originators have come to de-emphasize the fad elements and concentrate more on criticisms against split voters. Because of the abuse of the term by a large number of users who just don't get it, many of the originators of the term rarely use it anymore, and have come to live with increased NARV-like behavior as an inevitability on YTMND.

Anti-NARV sites